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The Moral High Ground
1:36 pm, 11/21/04
The Moral High Ground

You may have heard that the government of Ivory Coast accuses France of some pretty icky things. Like, say, mass murder.
Ivory Coast accused French troops of killing up to 60 people during an anti-French demonstration in the commercial capital, Abidjan, last week.
Or, worse.
Cardinal Bernard Agre said last week he had seen young girls decapitated by the French army - a charge President Gbagbo said he believed to be true.

This testimony by the prelate was reported by all the people who were present at the siege of the Hotel Ivoire by the French army and all those who were in the hospitals[.]"
Of course, the French say it's not true: The Ivorians are just racist xenophobes, they explain, and the President is just trying to fuel anti-French hatred with his lies. The New York Times agrees, saying France is being unfairly "cast as the villain". (If you really want to get surreal, France even tries to blame the Jews.)

There's just one problem for France, here: People at the Hotel Ivoire had cameras, and they caught the horrific massacre, right down to the headless bodies. The short version is that these guys were singing, dancing, mooning the French, having a good ole' time, when the troops surrounding them decided to machine gun the men, women, and children for no apparent reason. I say "no apparent reason" because they certainly aren't threatened in any way by the crowd: The French troops do not move into cover, they just stand there, happily slaughtering their colonial livestock. Further, if they had a justification, there would be little reason to try to deny that the event took place. No, this is no machete-wielding mob, and the French certainly take their time about packing up and leaving.

The two video clips that are circulating are a combined 20 minutes and 200 megabytes, and I've spliced them together... replaced the old video clip I was running with a back-to-back versions of the two 10 minutes clips, that are instead only about 15 mb. So, about 10 minutes in you switch to another camera's point of view on the same event. You can see it below by clicking on "Continue Reading".

Let me just add a couple thoughts:

First: To make sure we're on the same page with the international community, we need to realize that if an American Marine shoots a terrorist who is playing possum and likely waiting for a chance to kill him, he should be tried for murder. However, if a terrorist kidnaps a western woman, tears off her arms and legs, guts her, and leaves her corpse to rot in the streets of Fallujah, her face smashed in beyond recognition, that man is a freedom fighter.

Similarly, if a small group of American prison guards make prisoners wear panties on their heads, even if all those people are already being investigated and punished when the press arrives on the scene, it still proves the Americans are a brutal army of occupation of a type not seen since the Third Reich, they have no respect for foreign cultures, and this deserves round the clock media hysterics. This just proves that a war with 40 nations behind it is still wrong, even if it's freeing millions of people. However, if French troops casually machine-gun a rather jovial group of singing men, women, and children as part of a truly unilateral invasion to topple a democratically elected government in favor of Islamic thugs, they are very talented peacekeepers, and genocide and mass murder should be overlooked by the media. After all, "the international community", which apparently so loves human rights that they wanted to keep the people of Iraq enslaved for the foreseeable future, has been screaming bloody murder about all this imperialism and usurpation and bloodshed, in Ivory Coast, right? ...Right? *crickets*


Second: Two years ago, when France was planning this monstrous venture (while hypocritically opposing the "unilateralism" of our plans for Iraq, all the while taking bribe money from Saddam), anti-French protests broke out in front of the US Embassy in Ivory Coast. One man held the sign above. "USA we need your help. Chirac is another Ben Laden. He is killing democracy in Ivory Coast." It looks like that little "another Ben Laden" prophecy came true in front of the Hotel Ivoire. Whether or not 60 people were killed (there's no way to get a handle on numbers from this), this is hardly Kent State: The French are in their vehicles, on open terrain. They clearly don't feel threatened, but I digress.

What especially repulses me about the French position on the Iraq war is not their opposition to it: It's that they wanted to have their cake and eat it, too. They wanted the political benefits of opposing George Bush without the consequences of siding with Saddam Hussein. International relationships don't work that way: You either pick a side, or it's none of your business. In any bitter argument, people's friends stick up for them, but unknown third parties who try to inject their opinions unbidden do so at their own grave personal risk. That's why I strongly feel that the United States should not waffle on this: Let's side with the Ivorians, against the French, in every conceivable way. (What are they going to do? Launch their mighty neutron bombs?)

A fun thing for our new Secretary of State to do would be to summon the French ambassador to the White House and explain that they leave Ivory Coast and cut their support for the rebels, or their diplomatic staff leaves the United States and faces an Ivory Coast that will become better armed every single day with American weapons of mysterious provenance.

Of course, that's just the ideal, not something actually likely to happen. That's why I encourage you to call the French Embassy (202-944-6195) and politely explain that you don't appreciate their filth on our soil as long as their filth is on Ivorian soil. Alternately, you can pass by the nearest French consulate and spit on their front door. Consulates are located in Chicago, Washington, New Orleans, Los Angeles, San Franciso, Houston, Atlanta, New York, and Boston.

Better yet, you could always organize a "French Out!" protest in front of your local consulate. You get bonus points if Jesse Jackson shows up. (Or Al Sharpton, who I'm told is now also available for bat mitzahs.) After all, if they were sophisticated Europeans, the French wouldn't likely have done that. What's important is that Our Oldest Enemy (TM) gets the message: Even if our government is diplomatically unable to react to these things, we aren't Continental peasants: We have minds of our own, and we'll remember this.

(Although, it's fairly amusing to watch the chronic Euro denial on this discussion board. "This is Ivorian propaganda! You see what they want you to see!" "It's actual video of what happened." "Africans are dangerous! They were protecting the hotel from the mob! If they got inside, they'd rape the Westerners!" "Uh, they left the hotel unguarded immediately after, so I don't think that's it..." "Well, they evacuated the Westerners in their APCs!" "No they didn't. Watch the video. Good try, though." "Uhm... Bush is stupid! So hah!")

Anyway, here's the movie. Before you watch, do realize that it gets very graphic.

Update: It's worth pointing out, just to be clear, that there are things we don't know here: You can't really tell what happened in the immediate moment leading up to the shooting, but it's clear that the French did not believe they were not in any danger. You also can't accurately guess just how many people were killed/wounded. What is quite clear, though, is that it happened. More on Ivory Coast here, also some spin on Gbagbo and conflicting media accounts of what was going on in the video.)
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Comment (451)
Chris D at 05:09 PM, 11/21/04

How much you wanna bet that this story doesn't get nearly as much coverage as the soldier who shot the wounded insurgent?
Aaron at 07:48 PM, 11/21/04

Let me put it this way: I wouldn't be surprised if it has already gotten all the media coverage it's *going* to get.
Jesse at 08:50 PM, 11/21/04

If the media lets this go, they better let that Marine go.
at 06:38 AM, 11/22/04

if the French leave, we are going to witness a new Rwanda.. Before you start condemning, look at who started this mess in the early nineties.
at 06:44 AM, 11/22/04

I wonder if Mr. Chirac will allow this to come before the United Nations Security Council?
Aaron at 07:19 AM, 11/22/04

if the French leave, we are going to witness a new Rwanda.. Before you start condemning, look at who started this mess in the early nineties.
The French came there to force a democratically elected government to share power with bands of Muslim thugs. The French should have been, and should be, trying to help the government maintain the rule of law and democratic rule. Instead, they're helping usurp it. If the French do leave, other nations need to step in to do it right, and no, it isn't going to be pretty, because the burden of accepting peace is on the rebels, not the government.

The fact is, the French aren't there to help the people of Ivory Coast save their country, they're there to, in their own words, "impose" peace.
at 09:45 AM, 11/22/04

Some people have criticized the video for its editing, but I think that is irrelevant even if some parts are from other incidents.

At the point where the shooting starts, you can clearly see the French line in front of the hotel is firing into a crowd mostly, if not entirely, comprised of peaceful civilians. Even if there were a few gunmen in the crowd, this response is not warranted. If you don't have the means to pick off a few lone gunmen in a non-violent crowd, then you're a bunch of amatuers and you have no damn business being there.
Aaron at 09:53 AM, 11/22/04

That's a very good summary of the situation, Tim.
at 10:08 AM, 11/22/04

Aaron, just read a good book about the political proces in the nineties in Ivory Coast.. And you'll hopefully stop thinking in such black/white terms..
Aaron at 10:29 AM, 11/22/04

Lyot: There's no doubt that things need to change in Ivory Coast, and I am aware of what happened in the 90's. However, why don't you take a look at what the rebels that France is legitimizing did in 1999 and onward? The military coup attempts? The assassination plots?

If I thought for a minute France was there to keep the peace, that'd be one thing. They aren't: They're there to support the rebels. Gbagbo's government isn't perfect, but that doesn't entitle disgruntled opposition to try to usurp his elected government. There are two sides to this conflict, and France is on the wrong one.
at 10:46 AM, 11/22/04

Sorry, but that's a complete load of crap. Anyone who would believe that carefully edited and staged video is a fool.

Even if there were a few gunmen in the crowd, this response is not warranted. If you don't have the means to pick off a few lone gunmen in a non-violent crowd, then you're a bunch of amatuers and you have no damn business being there.

That is so hypocritical coming from an American. Even if this event had happened (which is obviously didn't), how the heck do you think the American military would have reacted if there were a big crowd chanting and advancing on them, many of them with guns blazing. Do you think they'd just bend over and pick them flowers?

You americans see everything in black and white, and your anti-french prejudice is pathetic. It was the french! They must have done it!
at 10:53 AM, 11/22/04

i can't find the link to the video, where is it?
Aaron at 11:04 AM, 11/22/04

Even if this event had happened (which is obviously didn't)
Yeah, Gbagbo hired dozens of white guys, put them in APCs, then used blanks. Tore that guy's head open, too!
how the heck do you think the American military would have reacted if there were a big crowd chanting and advancing on them, many of them with guns blazing.
A big crowd, many of them with guns blazing? LOL. How about "any" guns blazing? Even if that were the case, you know full well the French would acknowledge it instead of denying it: It's another propaganda point to justify retaliating against the government, just like the bombing raid.
i can't find the link to the video, where is it?
embedded in a video player. If you can't get the player to work, you can download the file directly here.
Sithkitten at 11:09 AM, 11/22/04

Mort a la Francais! Mort a la Francais!
at 12:01 PM, 11/22/04

To paraphrase a reliable source, "I fart in France's general direction!"
at 03:18 PM, 11/22/04

Liot

The French are NOT there to prevent another Rwanda. The French were DIRECT parts in the Rwandan genocide, by arming and funding the genocidical Rwandese government, by later protecting the retreat of the defeated Rwandese army and the Interamwe militias, by reequpping them once they were drawn out of Rwanda so they can begin anew their sinister task. All for protecting the FrancAfrique: the system they have mounted in Africa for influence (those African puppet states vote in the UN) and money (cocoa in Ivory Coast, diamonds in Central africa and... ooooooooooooooooooil in Gabon). The French? No, the French leading classes. The French know nothing about what happenned in Rwanda or what happens in Ivory Coast. The French media will tell them nothing about these and other shameful actions of the French government.
at 06:41 PM, 11/22/04

Speaking of news play on this story, the BBC has'nt even mentioned it as at all. Look for yourself, Http://www.bbc.co.uk furthermore, I can't find Anything at all about this on any of the MSM outlets either. It's almost as if it never happend.
And to think that in the West they say Russia has a controlled and censored media....
In addition, if the crowd was armed, why did'nt they counter-attack after the French opened fire? I 've been in a lot of combat, and one thing I have noticed is that if your amred and angery and someone fires upon you, you do tend to fire back. From what I see here, the French just seem to blast away, selectivly, I must say, and then drive off.
at 06:45 PM, 11/22/04

At the point where the shooting starts, you can clearly see the French line in front of the hotel is firing into a crowd mostly, if not entirely, comprised of peaceful civilians. Even if there were a few gunmen in the crowd, this response is not warranted. If you don't have the means to pick off a few lone gunmen in a non-violent crowd, then you're a bunch of amatuers and you have no damn business being there.

Ah, how to put this- NO.

If there are gunmen in the crowd, the people in the crowd should expect that the soldiers WILL return fire and disperse, or expect to be shot along with the gunmen. US forces have dealt with enough of this 'civilians used as cover' bull$hit in Iraq and Somalia that I'm not going to criticize French troops in the same situation.

Now, criticizing the French government for it's involvement in the Rawandan massacre and it's current idiocy in the Ivory Coast is entirely appropriate- but civilians who provide cover for gunmen are accomplices to the gunmen, not innocent bystanders.
Aaron at 07:26 PM, 11/22/04

It's almost as if it never happend. And to think that in the West they say Russia has a controlled and censored media....
This is good ole' self-censorship. The liberal elements of the press like to use France as an example of a sophisticated, enlightened, peaceful, internationalist model for the US, so they need to look holier than Jesus whenever possible. I am covering what little media attention I can find here, though.
In addition, if the crowd was armed, why did'nt they counter-attack after the French opened fire?
Exactly.
at 08:36 PM, 11/22/04

Okay, I've seen the video (the 200MBs of mpg, not the condensed wmv).

The French troops were definitely firing into the crowd- you can see troops with weapons shouldered and smoke rising from their position- muzzle flashes are hard to see in daylight. No indication of people in the crowd firing on the troops- first, the troops don't seem to be taking cover or trying to stay low (wheras everyone I could see in the crowd appears to have hit the deck when the shooting started), and when they drive away, the troops are not keeping low, as I would expect them to if they were worried about being shot at.

It's very possible that there were some provocateurs in the crowd, but it doesn't look good.
stupidamerican at 12:56 AM, 11/23/04

"That is so hypocritical coming from an American. Even if this event had happened (which is obviously didn't), how the heck do you think the American military would have reacted if there were a big crowd chanting and advancing on them, many of them with guns blazing. Do you think they'd just bend over and pick them flowers?"

I think Fred is on drugs. I don't see "many" with guns blazing. But let's turn it around. If Fred saw this video starring American troops he would be calling for Bush to be tried on war crimes and insisting that America was guilty of genocide. Why is he so quick to defend the French?
Fred says Americans see things in black and white. His inexcusable defense of the French couldn't possibly be considered black or white, Fred is much too nuanced for that. Of course, that doesn't apply to US actions in Iraq, which he obviously sees in black and white.
Fred's logic seems to be that the French couldn't possibly do this, because what? They opposed the war in Iraq? Nice try Fred, but you are about as intellectually honest as our leftist brethren in the US. It's ok for "freedom fighters" in Iraq to slaughter people or the "peace loving" French to open fire on a peaceful protest, but God forbid America use live ammo.
You disgust me.
at 04:48 AM, 11/23/04

I'm sure Jesse Jackson and all of his henchmen in the Democratic Party are RIGHT on top of this! They always support their brothers; just look at the warm reception they have for Condoleeza Rice.

Leftist faithful support for "the black man" has been exposed as the pure bullshit that it has always been. Once a minority makes the determination that Western enlightenment and not systemic revolution is the brighter path, they're out of the f*cking club.

Antiwar crowd to citizens of Ivory Coast: not interested.
at 05:57 AM, 11/23/04

Come on, it's obvious that the whole thing has been edited to look like something it wasn't.

For instance, if the army had just fired into a crowd of civilians, why are there civilians just wandering around, not looking too worried when they're driving off? I, for one, would be keeping my head down if someone had just opened fire on a crowd!

Notice that at no time can you see people shot up and the army in the same picture? It's always after a "convenient" change in camera.

It's a stage. I'd be the first to condemn any army that had opened fire on civilians. I'm no big fan of the french, but come on, get real.

Why do you think the mainstream media in any country have not given it credence? Especially in America. Fox, for instance, would absolutely love it given their anti-french nature, and would play it almost nonstop if they could find a single shred of evidence to show that it even might have happened.

Simply because it's obviously a fake.

Wake up. You've all been duped.
Aaron at 06:24 AM, 11/23/04

Fred: This incident has been reported weeks ago in LeMonde and the Associated Press. (It took place on November 9th.) AP client papers have generally ignored the story, for whatever reason. It's been run by the Swiss media, as well. French Army Spokesman Colonel Gerard Dubois has been talking about it. You're a good day or two out of the loop with the "Well, it didn't happen!" routine. It happened, and the French don't deny it. They just can't get their story straight, as every single interview involves a different version of what happened, and none of them quite match what's clearly shown on the video tape.

You can see where the edits are in that video, and they are not in the right places for it to be a dupe. What do you want the guy to do? Go running off to the far edge of the field in order to get a long-angle shot of the crowd and the troops, because he thought "Hmmm, I'd better make sure no one thinks this is fake since I keep pointing the camera at things!"?
For instance, if the army had just fired into a crowd of civilians, why are there civilians just wandering around, not looking too worried when they're driving off? I, for one, would be keeping my head down if someone had just opened fire on a crowd!
They *do* keep their heads down until the shooting stops, and many of them clearly break into a run. Others hit the deck.

You know full well why CNN, MSNBC, NPR and the like won't take it up. FOX is the only one that might even theoretically take it up.
Aaron at 06:54 AM, 11/23/04

Coincidentally, Fred, if you check that link above, you'll note that I just added news accounts from CBS News, ABC News, Australian Broadcasting Corp, Pravda, BBC, the International Herald Tribune. *Nobody* denies that it happened, they just stuck it on the proverbial back page and downplayed it so nobody *knew* that it happened.
at 12:01 PM, 11/23/04

They don't even offer medical assistance. This is what they're all about, and I forsee the US having to come clean up another of their messes.
stupidamerican at 12:14 PM, 11/23/04

Fred,
This incident has been reported, but not widely. There is also a great deal of eyewitness report, especially from Swiss bystanders who say that not only were the troops on the street firing, but snipers from the hotel were firing as well. Even the French admit it happened, they simply justify it by claiming falsely that this was an "armed" crowd and that they were growing "panicky." Finally when one frog was pinned against the wall, he simply started ducking questions.
Numerous shell casings were discovered in the hotel as evidence of this brutality.
By the way, none of the eyewitnesses report any gunfire from the crowd.
The reason it has been backpaged by the media is that they have spent so much of the last two years portraying France as the courageous peacemaker who bravely opposed Iraq. So, this story will remain on the shelf, right next to the oil for food scandal and the pedophilia and forced prostitution the UN is guilty of in the Sudan. Or...are they dupes as well?
I will give you credit for one thing though Fred. Justifying that the story is false by pointing to the main stream media's lackluster reaction to it is the funniest thing I have heard all week. I guess we'll know it's real when CBS does an expose. Go get 'em Dan Rather!!!!
stupidamerican at 12:49 PM, 11/23/04

That's the Congo, not the Sudan. Sorry. 150 sex abuse charges against the UN, not the least of which was forcing young girls to exchange sexual favors for food. Thank God for the UN.
at 04:47 PM, 11/23/04

We have since surrendered.
Brian Carnell at 12:51 AM, 11/24/04

"Some people have criticized the video for its editing, but I think that is irrelevant even if some parts are from other incidents. "

Give me a break ... the editing here is as transparent as the Zimbabwe government produced of its opponents. I can't believe this is what everyone's been talking about.
at 06:13 AM, 11/24/04

Dear Fred, please give me your geographic adress so that I can send you proper rush copy of all the pictures and videos that have been shooted that days. I'll send you the picture of that young girl who have been decapitated. You'll see if it have been edited.
Regards
at 07:07 AM, 11/24/04

Well, now we know why WWI and WWII went the way they did - had the Germans been singing and/or mooning the french on their way in, maybe the french would have actually shot at them.

Does anybody know if Greenpeace is in the habit of singing or mooning when the french show up?
at 10:45 AM, 11/24/04

To my good friend Aaron, Just let You know that the French are the ones who organized the killing in Rwanda.
The Ivorian people will overcome.

Thanks
Allan Ebert at 08:55 PM, 11/25/04

Another article on Ivory Coast
at 06:28 AM, 11/27/04

dear aaron
i'm an ivorian and i was there during these awful events i truly believe that we should overcome the french policies in africa
thanks so much
at 06:30 PM, 11/27/04

Below is a lengthy extract from conservative Canadian commentator Lorne Gunter's November 22 column in the National Post.

No blood for chocolate! No blood for chocolate! No blood for chocolate! Where are the mass protests in the streets of the world's capitals against France's military intervention in the Ivory Coast?

This month, French peacekeepers in the former French colony launched a pre-emptive assault against the Ivorian air force. They also interferred with the internal politics of the troubled nation and sought regime change < . . . > They acted without authorization by the United Nations Security Council. They violated both the UN Charter and the terms of the peacekeeping resolution that established their specific mission in the West African nation. The Security Council did sanction their attacks after the fact. Nonetheless, the French acted unilaterally, and only sought and received a UN cover story later. There wasn't even a coalition of the willing. No Brits, Aussies, Poles or Dutch to help out; just French troops, jets, helicopters and armoured personnel carriers.

While the French have achieved their military goals quickly and easily, they have failed to stop the destruction of much of the I.C.'s infrastructure. They have been powerless to end a Muslim insurgency that controls half of Ivory Coast's territory. They have stood by while schools and libraries were torched, failed to prevent widespread looting and have even fired on civilian mobs twice, killing as many as 60 Ivorians. And they have hardly been welcomed as liberators by the locals. < . . . > Tens of thousands of immigrant Ivorians have been turned into refugees, fleeing into neighbouring Liberia, Guinea, Burkina Faso and Ghana. Who knows, perhaps we'll also soon learn that some fabulous national museum containing world heritage treasures -- yet a museum no one in the West, outside of a handful of archaeologists, had heard ever of -- was picked clean thanks to French neglect.

All of this was done in the name of protecting French commercial interests in the IC's lucrative cocoa trade (and timber, mines and oil). So where are the campus radicals, the smug Western intellectuals and the preening pundits with their accusations of blood for chocolate? Where is their accusation that the whole thing has just been a giant conspiracy to ensure French President Jacques Chirac's buddies in the chocolate industry have all the cheap cocoa butter they want? There has been no media talk of quagmire, even though the French have been involved in the I.C.'s civil war for nearly three years. The French military intervention proceeded for the first 17 months without any UN authorization whatever. And the Chirac government has repeatedly escalated its troop commitment from 500 in 2002, to 2,500 in 2003, to 4,000 earlier this year, to 5,000 today. And the situation only worsens.

Where is the outrage at the inability of French forces to secure instantly and perfectly every block of the Ivory Coast's teeming cities? Where are the BBC interviews with Secretary-General Kofi Annan declaring the French adventure "illegal," as he did concerning the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq? Where are the letters from Annan to Chirac entreating him not to quell the insurgency< . . . > for fear of provoking worse from the locals, the way he cautioned the Americans against pacifying Falluja. < . . . > The French have done exactly what they should have in Ivory Coast. < . . .> What's galling is the way the French have done it all without any deference to the multilateral consensus-building they so smugly demanded of the Americans and British last year < . . .> Doubly galling is the silence -- even complicity -- of the UN and the international community, which last year so sanctimoniously and vocally obstructed the invasion of Iraq.

No other nation has inserted itself militarily into African affairs in the post-colonial period more than France -- nearly two dozen times -- including on behalf of the murderous Jean-Bedel Bokassa, who proclaimed himself emperor of the Central African Republic, and in support of the Hutu government of Rwanda, whose supporters butchered half a million or more Tutsis in 1994. The truth is, international opposition to the Iraq war (including French opposition) was prompted as much by bitter anti-Americanism and irrational hatred of George W. Bush as it was by any true concern for peace or multilateralism. Will Michael Moore < . . . > produce a "documentary" on the scandal of French unilateralism and neo-colonialism? Of course not. When it is countries and leaders they favour committing the offences, the international left gives them a free pass.
at 09:15 PM, 11/27/04

at 02:57 AM, 11/29/04

Let's stand and pray for this country...
The Video?
Peace for RCI!
Amen.
Sir Akint
at 04:44 AM, 11/29/04

Jesus said:I am the Path ,the Truth and the Life...John14:6. Truth can never be hidden because God is Truth.Thank you for your good work on God behalf. I am an Ivorian and I were here in Abidjan.France must agree with the truth to benefit from God's mercy and forgiveness!
at 03:25 AM, 12/1/04

While nobody can deny that what France has done here is wrong and shatters the UN Rules of Engagement, perhaps it would be nice if we could get reliable news next time instead of obviously edited right-wing propaganda. Something bi-partisan would be cool.

It's convenient how the conservative media will be focusing a lot on this over the next few days (weeks?), drawing attention from our own blatant human rights/geneva convention/rules of engagement violations.

Wake up, guys. Start thinking for yourselves.
at 03:29 AM, 12/1/04

And all of you should really learn English before you go to try to make a point. Like Gerard. He should work on his tenses and his conjugation. And his spelling.

And DrZin is right. We Democrats love it when people get slaughtered for no apparent reason. Especially if they're black.
Andrew at 07:30 PM, 12/2/04

My thanks to Aaron for bringing this story to my attention. I follow the news cycle as much as time reasonable allows, but somehow this story slipped by me. Wonder how that happened....

LOL "Not Fred", its like at the DU, take personal shots when you haven't got any good points to bring up in the debate. BTW, where do you suggest we find reliable news when no one will invesitgate, or even cover this story?

Thanks for the article Carl Culpepper, you must be a Canuck as well :)

Frankly, I'm no more upset at France's action then usual. This is business as usual for them. But the medias utter failure to report or investigate is pathetic. The media bias lies not in how they report, but what they report.

One note on the beheading thing, while the reports are disturbing, what you see in the video is not, from what I can tell, a beheading. I've only hunting experience to draw this conclusion, but to me it looks like a pretty standard head wound recieved from a high velocity rifle round(ie a 5.56 from a FAMAS rifle).
at 10:52 PM, 12/2/04

I stumbled across this site after telling a friend of mine, who's with the 10th MTN(US Army), about the video clip Fox News aired today after the French admitted to this slaughter of innocent civilians. He wanted to see/hear the clip to see what type of weaponry was being fired. Must say, definitely a lot more graphic than on TV. But I have also come across more graphic pics on ogrish.com from France's war crimes against the Ivorians.

As for the the "headless" body at the end of the video... looks to me like it was done by heavy weaponry. If you look real closely, the head is still there - just blown apart.

Now, as for all of the previous posts written on this topic that claimed it never happened(IE a hoax) - you should've taken the video for what it was - the slaughtering of innocent civilian protestors of their French occupiers. Remember, the imperialistic French have now admitted to this horrific, butcherous massacre! I call for an even further boycott of the French, UN sanctions, and criminal prosecution of French troops, commanders, and govt officials involved in giving the order and carrying it out for this bloodbath! Absolutely disgusts me!
at 12:59 AM, 12/3/04

We need to get this story out for people to see and hear about. The main stream media will not report on it like they should.

These demonstrators can be seen to be peaceful and standing their ground. Not advancing, there are even some who hold individuals back if they get too far. Not a single weapon can be seen in the crowd. When you shoot into a crowd of people which pose NO THREAT it is not defense, it is COLD BLOODED MURDER!

The French are acting as a tyrant to the Ivory Coast. They are hypocrites as well, they claim action with the United Nations is best, yet here in the Ivory Coast they refuse to work together and choose to work seperatly. Most likely to do what they want, like MURDERING innocent men, women, and children.
The U.N. has a peacekeeping force there!
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at 02:10 PM, 12/3/04

the video is the truth. i'm an ivorian, i was the on november the 9th. i saw french soldiers firing on us !! noone in the crowd was armed. you know fisrt, the french dinied shooting on the people, then they said that they shoot in the sky, when seeing the videos the refused to show they citizens, the recognised that they shoot with plastic bullets....worse the french fired at night from a holicopter gunship on civil demontraters.....the truth
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Chrissy, as I noted before, a head as pictured in the video doesn't require 'heavy weaponery'. Even a small caliber high velocity round, ie 5.56 NATO, will cause that sort of of horrific explosion like wound.

But, beheaded, shot, caught in an explosion, it ends the same way, probably irrelivent.
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Andrew - It's possible, NOT factual... It also depends on the distance it was fired and accuracy of penetration. French troops use a FAMAS, which is very doubtful it could cause that type of injury given the fact that a FAMAS is extremely inaccurate and less effective after about 250 meters. Those weren't the UN peacekeepers in that incident. All reports I've seen have been saying those were French troops that are normally stationed in IC. Besides, a 5.56 NATO probably couldn't cause that type of damage(unless you're at fairly "close" range) - more likely, if it was a rifle(which I myself doubt, given the distance in the video - unless that murder was committed in another incident), a 7.62. But if you listen to the video very closely, you can hear louder single fire amid the small arms fire that definitely does not sound like a rifle.

But I agree, you're right that it ended in the same way... very sad.
at 10:23 PM, 12/17/04

Well, there you have it. This story has dissapeared into obscurity. No one knows about it, and no one ever will.
Aaron at 11:41 PM, 12/17/04

Matter of fact, Andrew, this video was featured on FOX News several times, and the French appear to be bugging out. They're just doing it very quietly, because the media appears to be cooperating in helping them save face: The only press that doesn't remove that part from the AFP story is the Arab press, and that's saying something.
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If this soldiers were american, this new probably would be the main thing in worldwide media.
But they are frenchs, europeans and pures.This world sucks!!!!
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