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   Wednesday, October 5th, 2005  

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Yes, one more Islamic Supremicist story for this morning: For years I've argued that the "they just want the West to quit interfering" argument is a shallow and naive view of Islamist goals. They want us to quit interfering because we're in the way of their ultimate goal of reestablishing their twisted vision of the Caliphate and forcing the West into submission, and that means that we need to continue interfering with their fundamentally evil goal. Sitting in his jail cell in Jakarta, the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah, Abu Bakar Bashir, joins many other Islamist leaders in saying exactly that:
SA: What can the West, especially the US, do to make the world more peaceful?

ABB: They have to stop fighting Islam. That's impossible because it is sunnatullah [destiny, a law of nature], as Allah has said in the Koran. If they want to have peace, they have to accept to be governed by Islam....We'll keep fighting them and they'll lose. The batil [falsehood] will lose sooner or later. I sent a letter to Bush. I said that you'll lose and there is no point for you [to fight us]. This [concept] is found in the Koran.

SA: How can the American regime and its policies change?

ABB: We'll see. As long as there is no intention to fight us and Islam continues to grow there can be peace. This is the doctrine of Islam. Islam can't be ruled by others. Allah's law must stand above human law. There is no [example] of Islam and infidels, the right and the wrong, living together in peace.
So, we can have peace if we stop fighting conversion to Islamic law. We shouldn't "fight Islam" not in order to have peaceful coexistence but in order to ensure that we go quietly. Peaceful coexistence is forbidden by Allah: We must be assimilated or destroyed. Exchange a few proper nouns and you have a transcript of 1930's Germans discussing the future of Europe.

Leftists reading this post saw nothing beyond the words "They have to stop fighting Islam," at which point they pumped their fist in the air, shouted "Yeah, man! That's genocide!" and lit up a joint.

Update: Helpful reporters at Australia's state-funded ABC:
Sure, we shouldn't really negotiate with killers, Price said on Monday, but "things have progressed so far beyond that".

To save ourselves we must open talks-if not with bin Laden himself, at least with "someone within the (al-Qaida) organisation that doubts what's happening".

And for half an hour her listeners rang with helpful suggestions to cut a deal with the terrorists who have killed so many of us.

Hang on, warned one listener, but wasn't one of al-Qaida's desires the return of Spain and East Timor to Muslim rule?

Well, that could be just a "starting point" in these talks, Price replied.
Remember: They're not fighting for the other side! Australian tax dollars at work, I guess. Considering that Islamist teachings specifically advocate cutting cooperative deals with infidels to gain an advantage than betraying them at the opportune moment as a long-term strategy, this tends to support the "shallow and naive" thesis.



at 02:12 PM, 10/5/05

Abu Baker Bashie the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamia condemmed the Bali bombings. Abu Mohammad al-Magdissi tried to stop Zarqawi from bombing London and condemmeded the bombings after they happened. Another Jhiad leader stated "You can't kill everyone". Wouldn't it be more productive to persue the story from the moderates viewpoint,rather than to continue to condemn the obvious. And that is that violence and war are not productive for any side. Peace
Aaron at 02:40 PM, 10/5/05

Imhotep: You are the poster-child for the kind of people I'm talking about above.
Abu Baker Bashie the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamia condemmed the Bali bombings.
In the very interview above, he goes on to explain how he disagrees with Osama's strategy of total war. It is not acceptable, he says, to stage attacks inside Islamic countries, but to attack Infidel nations is A-OK.

Instead, your "moderate" wants the "peaceful" surrender of all mankind to Islamic law. Why fight and lose potential converts, when his warped vision of Islam is destined to conquer the world anyway? Condemning an attack for the camera doesn't make someone a moderate. Look up the word "taqiyya".

There are people who want to enslave nations to an ideology as vicious as Hitler's, and you think the important issue is that a cleric somewhere wrote a memo of regret about it? "Zarqawi murdered dozens of innocent people in cold blood, but shouldn't we really focus on the way his old mentor disapproved? Group hug!" You are one surreal dude, although it's nice that there's an anti-war leftist somewhere in the world who's willing to accidentally admit that the real agenda of Islamic terror is "obvious".
at 08:15 PM, 10/5/05

Hotep: You're misreading history, again. For example: Islamist Palestinians (and most are Islamist, btw), have continually claimed that their fight with Israel stems from Israel's agression in the 1967 war and its occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. The problem with that logic is: Jihadist Palestinians have been calling for the destruction of Israel since May 14, 1948.

History quiz time: Which came first, the 1967 Arab-Israeli War or the founding of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in Jerusalem with its calls for the destruction of Israel?
at 08:27 PM, 10/5/05

Aaron, we want the same result it's our approach that is different. The "unwashed crowd" is always in control either actively or passively. If the crowd stops cooperating, whoever wants power fails and whomever is in power is very alone. The Islamo-fascists will fail because the majority of mankind knows they are human individuals. But, the christian conservative movement in America is unhelpful to individual freedom and have more in common with the Islamo-fascists then secular Americans. If you really want to win this "war" it can only be done peacefully by dis-crediting those who use violence as a "means to an end". Remember you cannot kill them all. Peace
at 08:36 PM, 10/5/05

Aaron, one further thought: Peace means that you(the collective you) have to have the self-control to just stand there and turn the other cheek. Timbre, here's one for you: which came first the Zionist movement or Theodor Herzl? Peace
at 09:53 PM, 10/5/05

Of course, the "Zionist" movement came first, some would say, by more than 5,000 years. But what's wrong with that. If, for example, the Nordic peoples claim Scandinavia as their birthright, or the Native American Indians as to North America, why can't the Jews claim "Palestine." None of the people mentioned in this example are believed by well-trained anthropologists to have spontaneously arisen in the land of their claim.
at 12:20 AM, 10/6/05

Hey, I read it, thought about Ann Coulter's suggestion that we force-convert them to Christianity, agreed with it (not because I care about converting them to Christianity, but because they're assholes and it would be funny)... THEN I lit up a joint.

Let's be sensitive.
at 02:53 PM, 10/6/05

One man's asshole is another woman's dreamboat. Peace
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